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	<title>Comments on: Martialis heureka: the not-so-flashy but important news</title>
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		<title>By: Roberto Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex- I had not think about &lt;em&gt;Martialis&lt;/em&gt; in the context of &lt;a href=&quot;http://osuc.biosci.ohio-state.edu/hymenoptera/nomenclator.name_entry?text_entry=haidomyrmex&amp;Submit=Submit+Query&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; until you mention it. It is true that there are a few ant fossils from the Cretaceous with elongated, slender and toothless mandibles (think &lt;em&gt;Brownimesia&lt;/em&gt; also), and that &lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt; also shows a very conspicuous brush on the clypeus. But other than that I don&#039;t see much similarity between these two genera.

Even in those two features they are different. Unlike &lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt; (or &lt;em&gt;Brownimesia&lt;/em&gt;), the mandibles in &lt;em&gt;Martialis&lt;/em&gt; does seems to have (in my opinion) marked masticatory and basal margins: look at the concave areas in the distal half inner margins. &lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt; clypeus is quite broad and the antennal sockets are not close to the anterior border of the head capsule.

Also, compare the mesosoma in profile. &lt;em&gt;Martialis&lt;/em&gt; has a uninterrupted smooth dorsal profile, much like amblyoponines do, wherereas in &lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt; the pronotum, mesonotum and propodeum each seems to form domed structures. Of course this assessment is base on what little I can gather from &lt;a href=&quot;http://antbase.org/ants/publications/8098/8098.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dussky&lt;/a&gt; (1996) and &lt;a href=&quot;http://antbase.org/ants/publications/20967/20967.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Engel and Grimaldi&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s (2005) publications, since I have never examine the specimen first hand (nor &lt;em&gt;Martialis&lt;/em&gt; for that matter).

In any case, this is one of my concerns about ant morphology and phylogeny- we have many interesting ant fossils that cannot be placed into any of the extant subfamilies, yet they are important to understand the overall picture of early ant evolution. And molecular markers can&#039;t help us here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex- I had not think about <em>Martialis</em> in the context of <a href="http://osuc.biosci.ohio-state.edu/hymenoptera/nomenclator.name_entry?text_entry=haidomyrmex&amp;Submit=Submit+Query" rel="nofollow"><em>Haidomyrmex</em></a> until you mention it. It is true that there are a few ant fossils from the Cretaceous with elongated, slender and toothless mandibles (think <em>Brownimesia</em> also), and that <em>Haidomyrmex</em> also shows a very conspicuous brush on the clypeus. But other than that I don&#8217;t see much similarity between these two genera.</p>
<p>Even in those two features they are different. Unlike <em>Haidomyrmex</em> (or <em>Brownimesia</em>), the mandibles in <em>Martialis</em> does seems to have (in my opinion) marked masticatory and basal margins: look at the concave areas in the distal half inner margins. <em>Haidomyrmex</em> clypeus is quite broad and the antennal sockets are not close to the anterior border of the head capsule.</p>
<p>Also, compare the mesosoma in profile. <em>Martialis</em> has a uninterrupted smooth dorsal profile, much like amblyoponines do, wherereas in <em>Haidomyrmex</em> the pronotum, mesonotum and propodeum each seems to form domed structures. Of course this assessment is base on what little I can gather from <a href="http://antbase.org/ants/publications/8098/8098.pdf" rel="nofollow">Dussky</a> (1996) and <a href="http://antbase.org/ants/publications/20967/20967.pdf" rel="nofollow">Engel and Grimaldi</a>&#8217;s (2005) publications, since I have never examine the specimen first hand (nor <em>Martialis</em> for that matter).</p>
<p>In any case, this is one of my concerns about ant morphology and phylogeny- we have many interesting ant fossils that cannot be placed into any of the extant subfamilies, yet they are important to understand the overall picture of early ant evolution. And molecular markers can&#8217;t help us here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the blogosphere, Roberto!  

Speaking of the F-word, can I ask your opinion about the relationship between &lt;em&gt;Haidomyrmex&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Martialis&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the blogosphere, Roberto!  </p>
<p>Speaking of the F-word, can I ask your opinion about the relationship between <em>Haidomyrmex</em> and <em>Martialis</em>?</p>
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